Drew Brees threw a pass that was intercepted by K. Moore of the Redskins. Moore returned the ball to the Washington 44, where he was stripped of the ball by Robert Meachem, who then ran for the touchdown.
Per our policy regarding these types of plays, this is an offensive fumble recovery touchdown for Meachem and NOT a defensive fumble recovery touchdown for the Saints. The intent of having a defensive unit on a fantasy team is to own the defensive players of that team; clearly the Saints defensive unit was never on the field at any time during the play.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
**Makes sense and I believe FLEA needs to take away that TD
don't think he was commenting on ur post think he was agreeing and talkin to thread starter...nfl.com has it as a defensive fumble and fumble recovery so saints def should get the fumbles and the td
In a way, isnt that like saying offensive players shouldnt get credit for tackles on turnovers because only defensive players should get tackles for those who use tackles in thier defensive settings?
I was first to counter this scoring change to FF and had put on the table the official ruling of the NFL and their scoring system!!
Official they gave Meachem a "Fumble recovery" of 44 yards, but no points! His official scoring for WR is 1 TD.
Now I know that the Saints D should get 6 points and Meachem gets the 44 yards plus the TD, but FF weighed the ruling between ppl for and against and went for the ones that said the D shouldn't get the points!!
Bottom line to make this short ( and mind you I was in contact with them for a couple hours) We as commishes can OVERIDE their decision and change the scoring to fit the NFL ruling.
There is a problem with that too as if you do change it, you will get a uprising in your league as MOST leagues are public and aren't too tight with each other and all the sudden you have owners drop out!!
I even tried to make it fair to them to kill the play if it was causing too much confusion to owners and such, but they stated this is final and put the ball in our court!!
Bottom line FF changed it and thats it! I believe its fair to do in fairness to owners and left it to commishes to change the way they want!
Why did Fleaflicker change it if they are going to keep saying leave it up to the owners and commishs to change it back to the way the NFL scored it. It seems to me they could have just left it alone and still told us that we as owners and commishs could change it as we see fit.
Yes, he has 8 offensive TDs and all are pass receptions on the NFL online statistics. Everyone knows it was a defensive TD. It's how the Flea defines it for fantasy football and they have ruled.
However, the NFL online stats are incomplete when the points are scored in unusual situations. The player's online stats are abridged when they do not fit in the categories for the position which he is listed. Offensive players that score in a defensive situation do not have their points show up online.
When the points do not show up on the NFL online site, it makes it difficult for fantasy sites to report them.
You can see his fumble return TD under his career stats tab on the NFL site.
I would have given the Saints defense a forced fumble, a recovered fumble and a TD. I would have given Meachem a TD and distance in leagues that award points for all player TDs.
Ok, after sitting here and looking at other forum sites, I conclude that FF is doing the right thing here and trying to say Meachem was "Defense" would cause a ripple effect through other scoring options as in SP teams and IDPs!!
FF was fair in it's decision and I retract my thought before on this!
Bottom line, the Saints D wasn't on the field and hard to give them points!!
DaSOBCommishSun 12/6/09 8:12 PM
Drew Brees threw a pass that was intercepted by K. Moore of the Redskins. Moore returned the ball to the Washington 44, where he was stripped of the ball by Robert Meachem, who then ran for the touchdown.
Per our policy regarding these types of plays, this is an offensive fumble recovery touchdown for Meachem and NOT a defensive fumble recovery touchdown for the Saints. The intent of having a defensive unit on a fantasy team is to own the defensive players of that team; clearly the Saints defensive unit was never on the field at any time during the play.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
**Makes sense and I believe FLEA needs to take away that TD
aaron_devandryTue 12/8/09 1:37 AM
It's clear that you don't understand what a defensive team is.
deenTue 12/8/09 9:59 AM
Well ok then...Meachem shouldnt get credit for a tackle, forced fumble and fumble recovery if he wasnt on "defense"....
All he should get is a td..
fortyniners01Tue 12/8/09 10:03 AM
don't think he was commenting on ur post think he was agreeing and talkin to thread starter...nfl.com has it as a defensive fumble and fumble recovery so saints def should get the fumbles and the td
deenMon 12/7/09 6:01 PM
Hmmm, im sure glad I didnt lose my match up because of this as I have the Saints d and would be pissed off..
I agree with those that are saying the Saints defense should get credit for this...When the ball is turned over, the offense becomes the defense...
deenMon 12/7/09 6:08 PM
In a way, isnt that like saying offensive players shouldnt get credit for tackles on turnovers because only defensive players should get tackles for those who use tackles in thier defensive settings?
deenMon 12/7/09 6:10 PM
Man, I sure hope somebody in my leagues didnt miss the playoffs because they got 10 points taken away from thier d...
Uggh...
[Deleted User]Mon 12/7/09 4:50 PM
Guys,
I was first to counter this scoring change to FF and had put on the table the official ruling of the NFL and their scoring system!!
Official they gave Meachem a "Fumble recovery" of 44 yards, but no points! His official scoring for WR is 1 TD.
Now I know that the Saints D should get 6 points and Meachem gets the 44 yards plus the TD, but FF weighed the ruling between ppl for and against and went for the ones that said the D shouldn't get the points!!
Bottom line to make this short ( and mind you I was in contact with them for a couple hours) We as commishes can OVERIDE their decision and change the scoring to fit the NFL ruling.
There is a problem with that too as if you do change it, you will get a uprising in your league as MOST leagues are public and aren't too tight with each other and all the sudden you have owners drop out!!
I even tried to make it fair to them to kill the play if it was causing too much confusion to owners and such, but they stated this is final and put the ball in our court!!
Bottom line FF changed it and thats it! I believe its fair to do in fairness to owners and left it to commishes to change the way they want!
Rick
DARKSEIDMon 12/7/09 5:08 PM
Why did Fleaflicker change it if they are going to keep saying leave it up to the owners and commishs to change it back to the way the NFL scored it. It seems to me they could have just left it alone and still told us that we as owners and commishs could change it as we see fit.
[Deleted User]Mon 12/7/09 5:14 PM
Cause of "Public Leagues" that don't use a commish
Rick
DARKSEIDMon 12/7/09 5:24 PM
That is a good selling point. I forgot about those people with no commishs. LOL
mstrom8Mon 12/7/09 4:38 PM
why, then, is the Saints' defense getting creit for Meacham's fumble recovery?
it's inconsistent to treat the scoring this way in this instance.
MattGrannellMon 12/7/09 12:03 AM
Of course it's a defensive touchdown. Are you disregarding NFL rules?
Hell, Even Meachem knew he was on defense!
wwltv.com
PovertyBayOrcaMon 12/7/09 12:17 AM
Yes, he has 8 offensive TDs and all are pass receptions on the NFL online statistics. Everyone knows it was a defensive TD. It's how the Flea defines it for fantasy football and they have ruled.
However, the NFL online stats are incomplete when the points are scored in unusual situations. The player's online stats are abridged when they do not fit in the categories for the position which he is listed. Offensive players that score in a defensive situation do not have their points show up online.
When the points do not show up on the NFL online site, it makes it difficult for fantasy sites to report them.
You can see his fumble return TD under his career stats tab on the NFL site.
I would have given the Saints defense a forced fumble, a recovered fumble and a TD. I would have given Meachem a TD and distance in leagues that award points for all player TDs.
Not my call though.
MattGrannellSun 12/6/09 11:45 PM
Hey DaSOBcommish! Please define a defensive unit.
MattGrannellSun 12/6/09 11:33 PM
It is not an offensive fumble recovery! The Saints became the defense when it was intercepted. The NFL box score say it all!
[Deleted User]Sun 12/6/09 11:32 PM
Ok, after sitting here and looking at other forum sites, I conclude that FF is doing the right thing here and trying to say Meachem was "Defense" would cause a ripple effect through other scoring options as in SP teams and IDPs!!
FF was fair in it's decision and I retract my thought before on this!
Bottom line, the Saints D wasn't on the field and hard to give them points!!
Rick