You guys need to get this right...it's not my team that's in question, but it took my 30 seconds to read the NFL playoff tiebreaker to realize that you guys are screwing it up for three or more teams and head-to-head tiebreakers.
If there is only one division in a league, which is often the case, whether one team sweeps all other teams in a tiebreaker of 3+ teams is not the solution. It's head to head record, and a sweep would actually NEVER APPLY if there is a one division league. It is obvious. I'll break it down step by step:
1) There are 4 teams tied for 2 spots
2) Wild-card tiebreaker is used
3) Clubs are in same division* (see below)
4) Refer to division tiebreaker rules
5) Division tiebreaker for 3+ teams is best head-to-head percentage between all 4 tied teams. This would alleviate the problem in my league, as it would separate the top two playoff teams from the two non-playoff teams.
*(from NFL.com:) TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1) If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
>>In a one division league, this would immediately revert the tiebreaker back to division tiebreaker of head-to-head record, and in division tiebreakers a sweep is never considered, only best head-to-head percentage is.
2) If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
>>the following steps (which include the sweep rule you love to refer to) DON'T EVEN APPLY TO ONE DIVISION LEAGUES.
Please get this right. It's really not that hard and is completely logical.
Fleaflicker ruined my FF league this year.I caught the issue today when I realized that a team with a 3-3 divison record got a first round buy over a 4-2 divion record. I dont think this is how it was set up last year. I assumed all was fine until an owner that should
havehad the buy told me ge was losing in a playoff game he shouldnt have been in. Also, another owner didnt even make the playoffs because of this dumb head to head tie breaker setting.
Fleaflicker's argument for why they don't follow division tiebreaker rules in a league such as mine is that we don't have any divisions...yet when I set my league up I chose "1 Division" and created a name for that one division. Therefore within that 1 division I should be able to choose any settings that any single division can have within a multiple division league, including division tiebreaker. It literally makes zero sense that you can't do that
@rangerdave, yes in Izzy's case in 2012 the H2H worked correctly because the 5 teams were across multiple divisions. That's also why it worked correctly in your Zero Impact league as I addressed in my other comment. It is not working correctly in my league because the tied teams are all in the same division, and fleaflicker doesn't use H2H percentage to break the tie between teams in the same division even though that is the correct way to work the tiebreaker
Mike_HickeyFri 12/6/13 11:36 AM
You guys need to get this right...it's not my team that's in question, but it took my 30 seconds to read the NFL playoff tiebreaker to realize that you guys are screwing it up for three or more teams and head-to-head tiebreakers.
If there is only one division in a league, which is often the case, whether one team sweeps all other teams in a tiebreaker of 3+ teams is not the solution. It's head to head record, and a sweep would actually NEVER APPLY if there is a one division league. It is obvious. I'll break it down step by step:
1) There are 4 teams tied for 2 spots
2) Wild-card tiebreaker is used
3) Clubs are in same division* (see below)
4) Refer to division tiebreaker rules
5) Division tiebreaker for 3+ teams is best head-to-head percentage between all 4 tied teams. This would alleviate the problem in my league, as it would separate the top two playoff teams from the two non-playoff teams.
*(from NFL.com:) TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1) If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
>>In a one division league, this would immediately revert the tiebreaker back to division tiebreaker of head-to-head record, and in division tiebreakers a sweep is never considered, only best head-to-head percentage is.
2) If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
>>the following steps (which include the sweep rule you love to refer to) DON'T EVEN APPLY TO ONE DIVISION LEAGUES.
Please get this right. It's really not that hard and is completely logical.
IzzyCommishMon 12/9/13 11:42 AM
Fleaflicker ruined my FF league this year.I caught the issue today when I realized that a team with a 3-3 divison record got a first round buy over a 4-2 divion record. I dont think this is how it was set up last year. I assumed all was fine until an owner that should
havehad the buy told me ge was losing in a playoff game he shouldnt have been in. Also, another owner didnt even make the playoffs because of this dumb head to head tie breaker setting.
FleaMod AdminMon 12/9/13 12:40 PM
All tiebreaker settings are the same as last year and did correctly break. If you need personal assistance, you can contact us at fleaflicker.com.
Mike_HickeyMon 12/9/13 12:51 PM
Fleaflicker's argument for why they don't follow division tiebreaker rules in a league such as mine is that we don't have any divisions...yet when I set my league up I chose "1 Division" and created a name for that one division. Therefore within that 1 division I should be able to choose any settings that any single division can have within a multiple division league, including division tiebreaker. It literally makes zero sense that you can't do that
rangerdaveMon 12/9/13 10:13 PM
Look at your 2012 playoffs, Izzy. Neeta won a tiebreaker v. Who's Your Daddy? by virtue of head-to-head record.
WelchkidTue 12/10/13 5:31 PM
Everyones having trouble with seeding...same ish is happening in my league
Mike_HickeyTue 12/10/13 5:58 PM
@rangerdave, yes in Izzy's case in 2012 the H2H worked correctly because the 5 teams were across multiple divisions. That's also why it worked correctly in your Zero Impact league as I addressed in my other comment. It is not working correctly in my league because the tied teams are all in the same division, and fleaflicker doesn't use H2H percentage to break the tie between teams in the same division even though that is the correct way to work the tiebreaker