You guys need to get this right...it's not my team that's in question, but it took my 30 seconds to read the NFL playoff tiebreaker to realize that you guys are screwing it up for three or more teams and head-to-head tiebreakers.
If there is only one division in a league, which is often the case, whether one team sweeps all other teams in a tiebreaker of 3+ teams is not the solution. It's head to head record, and a sweep would actually NEVER APPLY if there is a one division league. It is obvious. I'll break it down step by step:
1) There are 4 teams tied for 2 spots
2) Wild-card tiebreaker is used
3) Clubs are in same division* (see below)
4) Refer to division tiebreaker rules
5) Division tiebreaker for 3+ teams is best head-to-head percentage between all 4 tied teams. This would alleviate the problem in my league, as it would separate the top two playoff teams from the two non-playoff teams.
*(from NFL.com:) TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1) If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
>>In a one division league, this would immediately revert the tiebreaker back to division tiebreaker of head-to-head record, and in division tiebreakers a sweep is never considered, only best head-to-head percentage is.
2) If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
>>the following steps (which include the sweep rule you love to refer to) DON'T EVEN APPLY TO ONE DIVISION LEAGUES.
Please get this right. It's really not that hard and is completely logical.
Both of your leagues are private, so your league can set whatever tiebreakers you want. Why are you railing against Flea? If you don't like your league rules, make a change. In one of your leagues, you are the Commish, and in the other, it looks like one of your relatives is the Commish.
You can't set whatever tiebreakers you want because fleaflicker doesn't even give the option (actually they give the option of head-to-head but don't follow it unless one team sweeps all the others, which isn't the rule). They claim that leagues set up with one division, as is the case, cannot use the wildcard tiebreaker rules that leagues with multiple divisions have. In your leagues you have multiple divisions.
Taking your Zero Impact league as an example, there is a 3-way tie between tuffguys, copperhead, and gridiron gods. To settle this tie, Fleaflicker first uses head-to-head record, from which Tuffguys and Copperhead stand out at 2-1, then as per your league rules next goes to best division record between those two teams from which tuffguys stands out so he gets the 5 seed.
In my league (riding club), the issue is that Fleaflicker doesn't look at head-to-head record between the 4 tied teams at all even though we specified this as the number one playoff tiebreaker, just as it is in your league. And their reasoning for this is because we have "no divisions", even though we specifically chose 1 division at the onset of the season. So we should still have the same rules apply within our one division as the rules for your multiple division leagues. It makes no sense that they shouldn't allow head-to-head record be a tiebreaker in our league.
Fleaflicker ruined my FF league this year.I caught the issue today when I realized that a team with a 3-3 divison record got a first round buy over a 4-2 divion record. I dont think this is how it was set up last year. I assumed all was fine until an owner that should
havehad the buy told me ge was losing in a playoff game he shouldnt have been in. Also, another owner didnt even make the playoffs because of this dumb head to head tie breaker setting.
Fleaflicker's argument for why they don't follow division tiebreaker rules in a league such as mine is that we don't have any divisions...yet when I set my league up I chose "1 Division" and created a name for that one division. Therefore within that 1 division I should be able to choose any settings that any single division can have within a multiple division league, including division tiebreaker. It literally makes zero sense that you can't do that
@rangerdave, yes in Izzy's case in 2012 the H2H worked correctly because the 5 teams were across multiple divisions. That's also why it worked correctly in your Zero Impact league as I addressed in my other comment. It is not working correctly in my league because the tied teams are all in the same division, and fleaflicker doesn't use H2H percentage to break the tie between teams in the same division even though that is the correct way to work the tiebreaker
I'm saying that since there are not multiple divisions within the league, the league as a whole should be looked at the same way each individual division is looked at in 4-division leagues for playoff tiebreakers. it's probably over your head as you have no idea what the issue is i'm referring to
Mike_HickeyFri 12/6/13 11:36 AM
You guys need to get this right...it's not my team that's in question, but it took my 30 seconds to read the NFL playoff tiebreaker to realize that you guys are screwing it up for three or more teams and head-to-head tiebreakers.
If there is only one division in a league, which is often the case, whether one team sweeps all other teams in a tiebreaker of 3+ teams is not the solution. It's head to head record, and a sweep would actually NEVER APPLY if there is a one division league. It is obvious. I'll break it down step by step:
1) There are 4 teams tied for 2 spots
2) Wild-card tiebreaker is used
3) Clubs are in same division* (see below)
4) Refer to division tiebreaker rules
5) Division tiebreaker for 3+ teams is best head-to-head percentage between all 4 tied teams. This would alleviate the problem in my league, as it would separate the top two playoff teams from the two non-playoff teams.
*(from NFL.com:) TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1) If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
>>In a one division league, this would immediately revert the tiebreaker back to division tiebreaker of head-to-head record, and in division tiebreakers a sweep is never considered, only best head-to-head percentage is.
2) If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
>>the following steps (which include the sweep rule you love to refer to) DON'T EVEN APPLY TO ONE DIVISION LEAGUES.
Please get this right. It's really not that hard and is completely logical.
rangerdaveMon 12/9/13 10:18 PM
Both of your leagues are private, so your league can set whatever tiebreakers you want. Why are you railing against Flea? If you don't like your league rules, make a change. In one of your leagues, you are the Commish, and in the other, it looks like one of your relatives is the Commish.
Mike_HickeyTue 12/10/13 3:37 PM
You can't set whatever tiebreakers you want because fleaflicker doesn't even give the option (actually they give the option of head-to-head but don't follow it unless one team sweeps all the others, which isn't the rule). They claim that leagues set up with one division, as is the case, cannot use the wildcard tiebreaker rules that leagues with multiple divisions have. In your leagues you have multiple divisions.
Taking your Zero Impact league as an example, there is a 3-way tie between tuffguys, copperhead, and gridiron gods. To settle this tie, Fleaflicker first uses head-to-head record, from which Tuffguys and Copperhead stand out at 2-1, then as per your league rules next goes to best division record between those two teams from which tuffguys stands out so he gets the 5 seed.
In my league (riding club), the issue is that Fleaflicker doesn't look at head-to-head record between the 4 tied teams at all even though we specified this as the number one playoff tiebreaker, just as it is in your league. And their reasoning for this is because we have "no divisions", even though we specifically chose 1 division at the onset of the season. So we should still have the same rules apply within our one division as the rules for your multiple division leagues. It makes no sense that they shouldn't allow head-to-head record be a tiebreaker in our league.
IzzyCommishMon 12/9/13 11:42 AM
Fleaflicker ruined my FF league this year.I caught the issue today when I realized that a team with a 3-3 divison record got a first round buy over a 4-2 divion record. I dont think this is how it was set up last year. I assumed all was fine until an owner that should
havehad the buy told me ge was losing in a playoff game he shouldnt have been in. Also, another owner didnt even make the playoffs because of this dumb head to head tie breaker setting.
FleaMod AdminMon 12/9/13 12:40 PM
All tiebreaker settings are the same as last year and did correctly break. If you need personal assistance, you can contact us at fleaflicker.com.
Mike_HickeyMon 12/9/13 12:51 PM
Fleaflicker's argument for why they don't follow division tiebreaker rules in a league such as mine is that we don't have any divisions...yet when I set my league up I chose "1 Division" and created a name for that one division. Therefore within that 1 division I should be able to choose any settings that any single division can have within a multiple division league, including division tiebreaker. It literally makes zero sense that you can't do that
rangerdaveMon 12/9/13 10:13 PM
Look at your 2012 playoffs, Izzy. Neeta won a tiebreaker v. Who's Your Daddy? by virtue of head-to-head record.
WelchkidTue 12/10/13 5:31 PM
Everyones having trouble with seeding...same ish is happening in my league
Mike_HickeyTue 12/10/13 5:58 PM
@rangerdave, yes in Izzy's case in 2012 the H2H worked correctly because the 5 teams were across multiple divisions. That's also why it worked correctly in your Zero Impact league as I addressed in my other comment. It is not working correctly in my league because the tied teams are all in the same division, and fleaflicker doesn't use H2H percentage to break the tie between teams in the same division even though that is the correct way to work the tiebreaker
michiganctFri 12/6/13 1:29 PM
one division in a league? is that an oxymoron? That's called a league.
KokoMoAZFri 12/6/13 1:55 PM
YES, THAT'S THE WORD I'VE BEEN TRYING TO REMEMBER! It is an oxymoron to say a league has just one division!
Mike_HickeyFri 12/6/13 3:01 PM
I'm saying that since there are not multiple divisions within the league, the league as a whole should be looked at the same way each individual division is looked at in 4-division leagues for playoff tiebreakers. it's probably over your head as you have no idea what the issue is i'm referring to
Mike_HickeyFri 12/6/13 3:06 PM
You have the option to choose how many divisions you want as a commish in fleaflicker, by choosing 1 division the rules shouldn't be any different
michiganctFri 12/6/13 8:16 PM
who only does ONE division then tries to use NFL rules as examples? Want to be like the NFL...HAVE MULTIPLE DIVISIONs
Mike_HickeySun 12/8/13 1:51 PM
because it's called fantasy football big guy