R0CKnR0LLA Sun 5/17/09 7:51 PM

People should be able to run their teams the way they want. Imagine if Chicago tried trading for Cutler, but other teams around the league vetoed it. 
 
Let's say I have several good RBs, but need help at WR. So I trade one of my RBs for a similar valued WR. Maybe the other guy needs a RB badly, so it improves both teams. Now, if you're an opposing player trying to win, why would you NOT veto this trade? 
 
By vetoing every trade that comes along, it improves your chances of winning, and people do just that. They abuse the veto like crazy, and why not? It's anonymous and there are no repercussions whatsoever. 
 
If you end up in a veto-happy league you basically can't trade at all, no matter how equal the trade is. And you don't know how bad those veto-mongers will be until you've already joined, drafted, ect. This really is the worst part about some of the leagues here. 
 
What about cheaters though? Well, it doesn't even help there. Someone with multiple accounts can time their trades, or just get vetoed and try again and again until it finally goes through. 
 
Here's my solution: Trades go through instantly, no veto possible. Yet, the trade is reported/shown to all members, with a link next to it "Report if you suspect cheating" 
 
The trade happens regardless, but if the person is reported and found to be cheating, all their accounts are banned and they are removed from possibly winning anything. This actually will deter cheaters AND still give regular rule-following members the freedom to run their team the way they see fit.

[Deleted User] Mon 5/18/09 8:36 AM

Actually, I believe all trades in the NFL are cleared through the league also. But I could be wrong.

R0CKnR0LLA Mon 5/18/09 2:17 PM

The league maybe but not other teams. There's a conflict of interest when you let opposing teams decide if you can make a trade or not. Hey, a division rival really needs a QB and is trading for one... VETO!

[Deleted User] Mon 5/18/09 6:48 PM

There are pros and cons to both sides. If that type of situation happens, the other owners can report the cheating and get them voted out of the league. So not all is lost. Being banned on a free site doesn't really deter anyone, I don't think. Some it will but most it won't. They'll just try to figure out another way to join and start again.

R0CKnR0LLA Mon 5/18/09 7:06 PM

"the other owners can report the cheating and get them voted out of the league." 
 
No they can't because it's anonymous. Even if it's not anonymous, they can just say "oh I didn't think it was fair or whatever". Nobody is going to admit they vetoed it for no reason or to screw the teams. 
 
"Being banned on a free site doesn't really deter anyone, I don't think." 
 
If you're trying to win, being banned/kicked from a league mid-season should definitely be a deterrent. Much more, at least, than just having your trade vetoed and being able to try the same trade again 30 seconds later.

scotto1959 Mon 5/18/09 7:07 PM

Yes I did!!!

R0CKnR0LLA Mon 5/18/09 7:12 PM

Right but the system in place now has no penalties for vetoing trades, regardless of whether the veto is justified. It pretty much encourages people to abuse it.

scotto1959 Mon 5/18/09 7:16 PM

Choose your leagues a little more wisely?

scotto1959 Mon 5/18/09 7:18 PM

I'm in some of sid's leagues and even if vetoed they will go through because he looks at both sides and what they need, not just players.

R0CKnR0LLA Mon 5/18/09 7:25 PM

"Choose your leagues a little more wisely?" 
 
Like I said, often times you don't know if a league will be veto-happy until after you join, draft, ect. It might be weeks into the season before you even attempt your first trade. At that point, whether you leave or stay and have every trade vetoed it's a lose/lose situation. 
 
It'll be better just to remove the system than to constantly workaround it.

scotto1959 Mon 5/18/09 7:32 PM

Like I said, choose your leagues wisely!!!!! I know who I'm in with and most of the people. Pick wisely, or pick and bitch, your choice!!!!

scotto1959 Mon 5/18/09 7:06 PM

Sid, he's in a league with ssuperflash as commish and saviorII is there also.

scotto1959 Mon 5/18/09 7:10 PM

Sorry, SaviorII is commish!!! My bad.