People should be able to run their teams the way they want. Imagine if Chicago tried trading for Cutler, but other teams around the league vetoed it.
Let's say I have several good RBs, but need help at WR. So I trade one of my RBs for a similar valued WR. Maybe the other guy needs a RB badly, so it improves both teams. Now, if you're an opposing player trying to win, why would you NOT veto this trade?
By vetoing every trade that comes along, it improves your chances of winning, and people do just that. They abuse the veto like crazy, and why not? It's anonymous and there are no repercussions whatsoever.
If you end up in a veto-happy league you basically can't trade at all, no matter how equal the trade is. And you don't know how bad those veto-mongers will be until you've already joined, drafted, ect. This really is the worst part about some of the leagues here.
What about cheaters though? Well, it doesn't even help there. Someone with multiple accounts can time their trades, or just get vetoed and try again and again until it finally goes through.
Here's my solution: Trades go through instantly, no veto possible. Yet, the trade is reported/shown to all members, with a link next to it "Report if you suspect cheating"
The trade happens regardless, but if the person is reported and found to be cheating, all their accounts are banned and they are removed from possibly winning anything. This actually will deter cheaters AND still give regular rule-following members the freedom to run their team the way they see fit.
[Deleted User]Mon 5/18/09 8:41 AM
It's a free league, it won't deter anything because there is nothing for them to lose. Leave things the way they are and find good owners. From my experiences most fair trades go through. Those who usually complain about the veto system are usually those members who are trying to do a bullshit lopsided trade, Either that or your league is infested with a bunch of cheating unethical owners and you should leave those kinds of leagues and find new ones. That is what I do... JMHO
From my experience over 90% of trades that get vetoed aren't because they are lopsided or cheat trades. You give people the power to screw over other teams, and let them do it anonymously THEY WILL ABUSE IT. You say find good owners? I had SEVERAL leagues last year where every single trade got vetoed regardless. The first league I joined this year, I try to make a draft pick trade. Going by the FF trade value chart it's almost exactly equal on both sides, but gets vetoed within a couple hours. I'm already planning on leaving that league, but who knows if the next league will be any better? There HAS to be a better solution than joining and leaving leagues constantly. Why keep a system around that's doing more harm than good?
If you are the commish you can just pass the trades automatically. If you are in leagues with good commishes pass the idea by them. That's one way you can get past the system.
Yeah, but if that's the case why keep the veto system around? People keep suggesting ways to get around the veto-happy people, but why not just remove the system. I wouldn't mind having a system where only the commish can authorize/deny a trade. At least that way he's accountable, rather than letting people screw you over anonymously.
The same goes for if you remove the veto system. Take away the vetos and you'll have all kinds of lopsided trades and cheating going on. At least now there is some kind of system in place to deter cheating. I was in one league last year like the one you talked about. I hated it and was going to leave until the commissioner finally took over and started approving those trades that looked fair right away. Anything suspect he left up to the members to vote on.
You said being banned for cheating won't deter cheaters, but a trade being vetoed will? C'mon now.
This exact scenario happened to me last year. A person with multiple accounts tried trading his top players all to one team, with a horribly lopsided trade. Everyone knew he was cheating and vetoed the trade. This didn't deter him at all. He tried again and again until he finally got the trade to go through, because enough people didn't come online to veto it.
R0CKnR0LLASun 5/17/09 7:51 PM
Let's say I have several good RBs, but need help at WR. So I trade one of my RBs for a similar valued WR. Maybe the other guy needs a RB badly, so it improves both teams. Now, if you're an opposing player trying to win, why would you NOT veto this trade?
By vetoing every trade that comes along, it improves your chances of winning, and people do just that. They abuse the veto like crazy, and why not? It's anonymous and there are no repercussions whatsoever.
If you end up in a veto-happy league you basically can't trade at all, no matter how equal the trade is. And you don't know how bad those veto-mongers will be until you've already joined, drafted, ect. This really is the worst part about some of the leagues here.
What about cheaters though? Well, it doesn't even help there. Someone with multiple accounts can time their trades, or just get vetoed and try again and again until it finally goes through.
Here's my solution: Trades go through instantly, no veto possible. Yet, the trade is reported/shown to all members, with a link next to it "Report if you suspect cheating"
The trade happens regardless, but if the person is reported and found to be cheating, all their accounts are banned and they are removed from possibly winning anything. This actually will deter cheaters AND still give regular rule-following members the freedom to run their team the way they see fit.
[Deleted User]Mon 5/18/09 8:41 AM
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R0CKnR0LLAMon 5/18/09 4:13 PM
This exact scenario happened to me last year. A person with multiple accounts tried trading his top players all to one team, with a horribly lopsided trade. Everyone knew he was cheating and vetoed the trade. This didn't deter him at all. He tried again and again until he finally got the trade to go through, because enough people didn't come online to veto it.