So, our league, which is now going on its 15th year of existence, has been hashing through all of our rules and have made some great changes. One area we are split on is the tiebreaker for standings and playoff seeding. Fleaflicker has us rank 5 tiebreaker rules in order of most preferred to least preferred. To add some fodder to our league discussion, I am seeking some insight onto the pros and cons of each option, and what your personal preferences are.
Our current ranking is:
1) most points in the season
2) division record
3) head to head record
4) points against
5) combined record of season opponents
I had all 16 league members rank the 5 options from best to worst and this did not clear up much. Here is what the results were.
Record Against (Hardest record) 1st -1, 2nd - 0, 3rd - 2, 4th - 6, 5th - 7
Sorting out this mess, here is my best interpretation.
1st Head to Head
2nd Division
3rd Points for (to me this is clearly 3rd place)
4th Points Against (to me this is clearly 4th place)
5th Opponents Record (to me this is clearly 5th place)
I think my plan is to have all 16 vote between head to head and division for first and second tiebreakers. I do want to have a short discussion first, laying out pros and cons better.
So, I am now trying to make voting in the league as simple as can be for this topic. Is it fair that people usually think one of two ways: either follow nfl style tiebreakers or follow tiebreakers that best represent the 13 game performance? I tried to rank the 5 options for both ways of thinking. Some people might prefer head to head #5 in first ranking but overall, are my interpretations accurate? As commissioner I just want to lay this out in as user friendly way possible. For nfl, I dislike how they group points for and points against in one thing, and it is kind of strange to me they don't separate those out. I just figure even for nfl list, points for should go first between those two. Do you have any comments or thoughts on the two lists below and am I missing any other lists to consider before bringing this ballot to the league? I guess the main argument either way is that a person wants to either do what the nfl does or they want to do what best rewards a better performing team over a span of 13 games.
Best representation of 13 game performance (strength of schedule listed after things you have more control over)
1) Points for
2) Division record
3) Head to head
4) Points against
5) Opponents combined season record
NFL style
1) Head to head
2) Division
3) Strength of schedule – opponents combined season record
joenorwood77Mon 7/30/12 5:12 PM
So, our league, which is now going on its 15th year of existence, has been hashing through all of our rules and have made some great changes. One area we are split on is the tiebreaker for standings and playoff seeding. Fleaflicker has us rank 5 tiebreaker rules in order of most preferred to least preferred. To add some fodder to our league discussion, I am seeking some insight onto the pros and cons of each option, and what your personal preferences are.
Our current ranking is:
1) most points in the season
2) division record
3) head to head record
4) points against
5) combined record of season opponents
I had all 16 league members rank the 5 options from best to worst and this did not clear up much. Here is what the results were.
Points 1st - 3, 2nd - 3, 3rd - 6, 4th - 2, 5th - 2
Head to Head 1st - 6, 2nd - 6, 3rd - 2, 4th - 0, 5th - 2
Division Record 1st - 6, 2nd - 5, 3rd - 2, 4th - 1, 5th - 2
Points Against (Hardest points) 1st - 0, 2nd - 2, 3rd - 4, 4th - 7, 5th - 3
Record Against (Hardest record) 1st -1, 2nd - 0, 3rd - 2, 4th - 6, 5th - 7
Sorting out this mess, here is my best interpretation.
1st Head to Head
2nd Division
3rd Points for (to me this is clearly 3rd place)
4th Points Against (to me this is clearly 4th place)
5th Opponents Record (to me this is clearly 5th place)
I think my plan is to have all 16 vote between head to head and division for first and second tiebreakers. I do want to have a short discussion first, laying out pros and cons better.
Who has insight into this topic???
joenorwood77Tue 7/31/12 4:02 AM
So, I am now trying to make voting in the league as simple as can be for this topic. Is it fair that people usually think one of two ways: either follow nfl style tiebreakers or follow tiebreakers that best represent the 13 game performance? I tried to rank the 5 options for both ways of thinking. Some people might prefer head to head #5 in first ranking but overall, are my interpretations accurate? As commissioner I just want to lay this out in as user friendly way possible. For nfl, I dislike how they group points for and points against in one thing, and it is kind of strange to me they don't separate those out. I just figure even for nfl list, points for should go first between those two. Do you have any comments or thoughts on the two lists below and am I missing any other lists to consider before bringing this ballot to the league? I guess the main argument either way is that a person wants to either do what the nfl does or they want to do what best rewards a better performing team over a span of 13 games.
Best representation of 13 game performance (strength of schedule listed after things you have more control over)
1) Points for
2) Division record
3) Head to head
4) Points against
5) Opponents combined season record
NFL style
1) Head to head
2) Division
3) Strength of schedule – opponents combined season record
4) Points for
5) Points against
FleaMod AdminTue 7/31/12 7:54 AM
I prefer the non-NFL style and most points for/ Most Average Points Game in our system.
Thanks!