We have an IR system set that you can place a player on IR if he is doubtful or worse. I just noticed that a few owners added player that were doubtful but have been upgraded since adding them. Will the Fleaflicker system make them drop or take them off IR or will the commish have to instruct them to?
I love Fleaflicker, but I have to agree with most of the dissenting comments about how Fleaflicker is handling injury status updates. The Witten scenario is an absolute joke - to upgrade a player so shortly before kickoff and strand hundreds of team owners who rightly had him on the IR without the option of getting him off their IR in time before his roster status locks does not make sense, nor is it fair. And the rationale that the "IR should be used only for players who are definitely OUT..." is equally ridiculous when you provide the option to set the IR for players who are listed as "Doubtful", "Questionable" or whatever. I have always counted on the NFL injury lists and did not know that Fleaflicker staff would unilaterally (and with little to no notice to owners) change injury status based on their own judgment or on "reports from practice." If we had 24 hours notice to at least check and correct our rosters that would be one thing, but the Witten scenario totally locked me out of any further adds/drops - such an owner cannot correct that illegal roster even if they wanted to because Witten is locked as soon as you moved him to Probable. Mendenhall is another example. Listed a "Doubtful" on NFL injury lists, and on the website, so I pick him up and have him on my IR, then he mysteriously changes to "Questionable", so I basically have to drop him, then less than 24 hours later, changes back to "Doubtful." Seriously? I've been playing fantasy football for 15 years and have never run into an IR system managed like this. My suggestions is to just stick with injury status updates on a regular, predictable schedule - say Wednesday and Friday - preferably from one source (like the official NFL team injury lists). I know sometimes it may mean an active player gets carried on IR through a weekend, but it would make life simpler and avoid these sort of inadvertent and possibly unavoidable illegal roster situations. Either that, or if you really feel like "you shouldn't put doubtful players on IR, cause they might play," then don't offer that option. Our league has kept the "Doubtful or Out requirement for IR, but has changed the automated system to allow players up to Probable to stay on the IR without locking owners out - we will police it manually ourselves rather than risk the site basically tying an owner's hands for the whole weekend if someone at Fleaflicker decides to change a player's injury status just before kickoff.
It's the same system that was in place last year. The updates are invaluable on gameday to help teams set their starting lineups.
I understand where you're coming from, but you also have to understand all the comments we made regarding why we're doing it (they make sense from our end, we can't please everyone) -- and also realize this really only has the main impact on players playing in that Thursday game moving forward.
Thanks for your comments and suggestions, though, it's appreciated.
I understand, and I'm sure the Wednesday night game complicated the scenario in this case. And I imagine there are plenty of reasons to do it this way. We just finally voted in the IR rule this year, which also may explain why the mechanics in this particular case took me by surprise. We'll just monitor the injury status more closely going forward and address any similar scenarios, should they occur, on a case-by-case basis. Thanks for the reply.
ScottFosterWed 9/5/12 10:49 PM
We have an IR system set that you can place a player on IR if he is doubtful or worse. I just noticed that a few owners added player that were doubtful but have been upgraded since adding them. Will the Fleaflicker system make them drop or take them off IR or will the commish have to instruct them to?
thedrich1Sat 9/8/12 3:40 PM
I love Fleaflicker, but I have to agree with most of the dissenting comments about how Fleaflicker is handling injury status updates. The Witten scenario is an absolute joke - to upgrade a player so shortly before kickoff and strand hundreds of team owners who rightly had him on the IR without the option of getting him off their IR in time before his roster status locks does not make sense, nor is it fair. And the rationale that the "IR should be used only for players who are definitely OUT..." is equally ridiculous when you provide the option to set the IR for players who are listed as "Doubtful", "Questionable" or whatever. I have always counted on the NFL injury lists and did not know that Fleaflicker staff would unilaterally (and with little to no notice to owners) change injury status based on their own judgment or on "reports from practice." If we had 24 hours notice to at least check and correct our rosters that would be one thing, but the Witten scenario totally locked me out of any further adds/drops - such an owner cannot correct that illegal roster even if they wanted to because Witten is locked as soon as you moved him to Probable. Mendenhall is another example. Listed a "Doubtful" on NFL injury lists, and on the website, so I pick him up and have him on my IR, then he mysteriously changes to "Questionable", so I basically have to drop him, then less than 24 hours later, changes back to "Doubtful." Seriously? I've been playing fantasy football for 15 years and have never run into an IR system managed like this. My suggestions is to just stick with injury status updates on a regular, predictable schedule - say Wednesday and Friday - preferably from one source (like the official NFL team injury lists). I know sometimes it may mean an active player gets carried on IR through a weekend, but it would make life simpler and avoid these sort of inadvertent and possibly unavoidable illegal roster situations. Either that, or if you really feel like "you shouldn't put doubtful players on IR, cause they might play," then don't offer that option. Our league has kept the "Doubtful or Out requirement for IR, but has changed the automated system to allow players up to Probable to stay on the IR without locking owners out - we will police it manually ourselves rather than risk the site basically tying an owner's hands for the whole weekend if someone at Fleaflicker decides to change a player's injury status just before kickoff.
FleaMod AdminSat 9/8/12 3:49 PM
It's the same system that was in place last year. The updates are invaluable on gameday to help teams set their starting lineups.
I understand where you're coming from, but you also have to understand all the comments we made regarding why we're doing it (they make sense from our end, we can't please everyone) -- and also realize this really only has the main impact on players playing in that Thursday game moving forward.
Thanks for your comments and suggestions, though, it's appreciated.
thedrich1Sat 9/8/12 3:55 PM
I understand, and I'm sure the Wednesday night game complicated the scenario in this case. And I imagine there are plenty of reasons to do it this way. We just finally voted in the IR rule this year, which also may explain why the mechanics in this particular case took me by surprise. We'll just monitor the injury status more closely going forward and address any similar scenarios, should they occur, on a case-by-case basis. Thanks for the reply.