We have a 4 team tie for 3 spots. Our tiebreaker set up is 1). Head to head. 2) division record for in division ties only. 3) Total points. The tie breaker says no progress was made on h2h and it went to division rank to eliminate a player. But it should go to points for and knock out the player with the lowest points scored and then do seeding by h2h and then points scored. But it gave a division rank to knock out the first player.
We have three divisions with four teams in each division. The one who got eliminated was the third seed in his division. But the one who got eliminated, has the head to head and points for advantage over one of the two seed teams that he is tied with.
We have no setting set for division rank. I’m now in a position where I either need the division rank thing explain to me, or for the software to update it, or make a manual override. I don’t want to make a manual override because it looks fishy.
We use the same tiebreaking policy as the NFL: "Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2."
If you click on Playoffs and see the explanation on the left hand side? H2H was only ineffective for the 4-way tiebreaker, then it used the 2nd tiebreaker (division record) to remove Jabbo from the 4 way tie. This created a 3-way tie, and back to the 1st tie-breaker, H2H which advanced Walter (#1WC). Next, 3-way with Jabbo, High Yield, Good Vibes. H2H advances High Yield (#2WC).
Two-way tie, Jabbo and Good Vibes with Good Vibes(#3WC) advancing on Division Rank. None of these tiebreakers went to the listed 3rd tiebreaking rule which is points.
I saw that. Jaboowins division record was 3-3 as wells walters lobos, and high yeild. So division record lost him the 2 way tie as it should have against tan thighs, and in turn, lost him the 4 way, even though 2 other teams had division records of 3-3 but in other divisions. Do I have that right?
In rules, #2 Tiebreaker, Division Record is for "Same Division Only". That's what bumped Jabbo and his 3-3 division record out of the 4-way tie because Good Vibes had a 5-1 division record in the same division (your league calls it "Division-2).
Go to Rules>Tiebreaker>Power & Playoff; arrow over Rule number 1, it explains ties with 3+ teams. In your leagues case, the H2H could not advance any of the 4 teams using this rule. If you follow the logic of the tiebreakers when you get down to 3 teams remaining the H2H tiebreaker works because High Yield was 2-0 against those teams.
Division rank is formulated for ranking and playoff seeding. Your tie breaker rules dictate that. The system worked as designed, if you change it, you will have to answer why you did what you did, with no logical answer in my opinion.
Thanks for the reply. I agree when getting down to 3 (specifically the three FF advanced), high yield sweeps the tie breaker. My confusion is how it got to the 3 (which is what I have to explain to the league). 4 teams at 8-6, h2h is rendered an ineffective way because no sweeps. Best division record (same division only) would also be ineffective because it’s 3 different divisions right? (I think this is what I need explained so
I can explain to the league) So it would go to points scored, and the guy who has the lowest points scored, would be eliminated, and then the 3 would be seeded from h2h and then division record. How did the formula not to get points scored if h2h is ineffective, and division record for same division only is also ineffective (or is it and that’s what I’m misunderstanding?)
maybe to be clearer on what I want explained - how did Division rank remove jabboowins specifically in the 4team tie, I understand he's ranked 3rd in his division but.... Division rank is not a tiebreaker setting and is not explained in the division record hover.
Division rank tie breaker and division record tiebreaker (in division only) being used across multiple divisions has 2 different meanings. Of the 4 teams in the tie breaker, division RECORDs are 3-3 except for tan thighs who is 5-1 (but regardless, they are across different divisions, so division record should be unable to advance If I can get that explained, it'll take a lot of burden off my shoulders lol.
After jaboowins got eliminated, it all makes sense with the remaining 3 teams and works out just how its supposed to. I just need help explaining how jaboowins got eliminated from the 4 way tie and where division rank gets applicable as a tiebreaker. Is it because he lost the initial 2 team tie, so he got bumped from the 4 team right off the bat?
Underwood85Wed 12/15/21 7:44 AM
We have a 4 team tie for 3 spots. Our tiebreaker set up is 1). Head to head. 2) division record for in division ties only. 3) Total points. The tie breaker says no progress was made on h2h and it went to division rank to eliminate a player. But it should go to points for and knock out the player with the lowest points scored and then do seeding by h2h and then points scored. But it gave a division rank to knock out the first player.
We have three divisions with four teams in each division. The one who got eliminated was the third seed in his division. But the one who got eliminated, has the head to head and points for advantage over one of the two seed teams that he is tied with.
We have no setting set for division rank. I’m now in a position where I either need the division rank thing explain to me, or for the software to update it, or make a manual override. I don’t want to make a manual override because it looks fishy.
fleafounder AdminThu 12/16/21 3:18 PM
We use the same tiebreaking policy as the NFL: "Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2."
nfl.com
JetWed 12/15/21 1:30 PM
If you click on Playoffs and see the explanation on the left hand side? H2H was only ineffective for the 4-way tiebreaker, then it used the 2nd tiebreaker (division record) to remove Jabbo from the 4 way tie. This created a 3-way tie, and back to the 1st tie-breaker, H2H which advanced Walter (#1WC). Next, 3-way with Jabbo, High Yield, Good Vibes. H2H advances High Yield (#2WC).
Two-way tie, Jabbo and Good Vibes with Good Vibes(#3WC) advancing on Division Rank. None of these tiebreakers went to the listed 3rd tiebreaking rule which is points.
Underwood85Wed 12/15/21 1:41 PM
I saw that. Jaboowins division record was 3-3 as wells walters lobos, and high yeild. So division record lost him the 2 way tie as it should have against tan thighs, and in turn, lost him the 4 way, even though 2 other teams had division records of 3-3 but in other divisions. Do I have that right?
Again, thanks for workin with me!
JetWed 12/15/21 1:55 PM
In rules, #2 Tiebreaker, Division Record is for "Same Division Only". That's what bumped Jabbo and his 3-3 division record out of the 4-way tie because Good Vibes had a 5-1 division record in the same division (your league calls it "Division-2).
Underwood85Wed 12/15/21 3:08 PM
Awesome, thanks!
JetWed 12/15/21 10:54 AM
Go to Rules>Tiebreaker>Power & Playoff; arrow over Rule number 1, it explains ties with 3+ teams. In your leagues case, the H2H could not advance any of the 4 teams using this rule. If you follow the logic of the tiebreakers when you get down to 3 teams remaining the H2H tiebreaker works because High Yield was 2-0 against those teams.
Division rank is formulated for ranking and playoff seeding. Your tie breaker rules dictate that. The system worked as designed, if you change it, you will have to answer why you did what you did, with no logical answer in my opinion.
Underwood85Wed 12/15/21 12:25 PM
Thanks for the reply. I agree when getting down to 3 (specifically the three FF advanced), high yield sweeps the tie breaker. My confusion is how it got to the 3 (which is what I have to explain to the league). 4 teams at 8-6, h2h is rendered an ineffective way because no sweeps. Best division record (same division only) would also be ineffective because it’s 3 different divisions right? (I think this is what I need explained so
I can explain to the league) So it would go to points scored, and the guy who has the lowest points scored, would be eliminated, and then the 3 would be seeded from h2h and then division record. How did the formula not to get points scored if h2h is ineffective, and division record for same division only is also ineffective (or is it and that’s what I’m misunderstanding?)
Underwood85Wed 12/15/21 1:08 PM
maybe to be clearer on what I want explained - how did Division rank remove jabboowins specifically in the 4team tie, I understand he's ranked 3rd in his division but.... Division rank is not a tiebreaker setting and is not explained in the division record hover.
Division rank tie breaker and division record tiebreaker (in division only) being used across multiple divisions has 2 different meanings. Of the 4 teams in the tie breaker, division RECORDs are 3-3 except for tan thighs who is 5-1 (but regardless, they are across different divisions, so division record should be unable to advance If I can get that explained, it'll take a lot of burden off my shoulders lol.
After jaboowins got eliminated, it all makes sense with the remaining 3 teams and works out just how its supposed to. I just need help explaining how jaboowins got eliminated from the 4 way tie and where division rank gets applicable as a tiebreaker. Is it because he lost the initial 2 team tie, so he got bumped from the 4 team right off the bat?