Matwijow Mon 10/1/12 8:29 PM

Hello,

In my league I have two players who claim Garcon was originally awarded a rushing touchdown, and when they checked our leagues scoring rules there was no points for offensive fumble recovery TD.

Now today, the rushing touchdown points are removed but offensive fumble recovery TD is a stat in a our league and points are given.

What I'm asking is, is there an explanation for the rule being just magically added to our league, or was it always there and they are both just insane?

Thanks!

RobertKelly Tue 10/2/12 3:05 AM

But why add the rule to our scoring system in the middle of our season without asking the commissioner first, or even notifying the commissioner?

We intentionally didn't have an offensive fumble recovery TD rule because we know from the Meachem play in 2009 that if an offensive player recovers a teammate's fumble in the field of play and then advances it into the end zone, that counts as both an offensive fumble recovery TD AND a rushing TD, and we didn't want such plays getting counted as two touchdowns, since really there's only one touchdown being scored on that kind of play.

So instead we opted to not reward offensive fumble recovery TDs any points at all. It's true that this makes it so that when a player recovers a teammate's fumble by just jumping on the ball that is already inside the end zone, it's not worth any points, since that isn't a rushing TD, but we think it is better to not give any points for that kind of TD (since all the player is doing really is just jumping on a ball that happens to have landed in the end zone) than to possibly double-count a TD (like the Meachem play in 2009).

We do give a small number of points for fumble recoveries generally, but other than that, Pierre Garcon was supposed to get nothing for that play in our league, and when you added the rule to our scoring system without even notifying me, that made it seem like one of our teams had more points than it really was supposed to get, and I had to go delete the rule and get rid of Garcon's points, and that makes it look like, to someone who isn't really reading my explanation and didn't have our real scoring rules memorized, like I just changed our scoring rules in the middle of our season.

What's worse is my team happened to be playing the team that had Garcon, and Garcon was actually in his lineup.

So what you did could make it seem like I'm cheating, and trying to change the result in my team's game. And now, anyone who isn't really paying attention to my explanation and who hasn't received an explanation from you or read this thread has probably already lost some confidence in me.

And even if they later bother to figure out what actually happened, how can I be sure that their original impression won't be left in their brain, and that they won't forever regard me a little more skeptically than they otherwise would?

To be clear, I am not objecting to the original mistaken award of a rushing TD to Garcon. That was an error because he didn't advance the ball and I know that. I would've been fine with a change in Garcon's score on Monday because of the error, because we all trust Flea Flicker to give the proper scores to everything in the end, we know mistakes occasionally happen, and that they are usually corrected in the end. I'm sure the original credit of the rushing TD to Garcon is not Flea Flicker's fault.

And I have already changed our scoring rules back to the way they were with 0 points for offensive fumble recovery TDs, Pierre Garcon's 4 points have been taken away from him, I don't need you to do anything else, and I very much hope you do not make further changes to our scoring rules.

I'm just writing to express my wish that this had been handled differently. I do not think Flea Flicker should alter the scoring rules of customizable leagues in the middles of their seasons without first obtaining consent from the commissioners of those leagues. Yes of course in theory you CAN just change it back the way you want to if you're the commissioner of one of these leagues, and it's physically possible to do so, but actually doing so can present serious political problems.

Thanks,

OOFFL Commissioner

FleaMod Admin Tue 10/2/12 6:17 AM

Sorry you're upset by the way we handled it. I'll keep it short.

Please read my post below, you responded to the original user, but not mine -- we explained to the site exactly what we did.

He was going to get the points in our system regardless for a rushing TD or offensive fumble recovery unless you had both of these off (you had the rushing TD rule in). He was receiving your points for a rushing TD -- we just switched it over cosmetically to show offensive fumble recovery (it's correct here, we didn't want Garcon going with no points, because he deserves the fantasy points for the TD). We didn't want double values as well.

You can revert the rule back if you wish -- as it looks like you did.

We appreciate your loyalty and would never do anything to upset the integrity of the stats, and did NOT here.

If you or any of your league members have any questions, feel free to contact us: fleaflicker.com

FleaMod Admin Mon 10/1/12 8:44 PM

They are not insane.

It's correctly giving him points there for the offensive fumble recovery for a TD now (Garcon deserves the TD on the play). We added an equivalent offensive fumble recovery TD rules to all active leagues so plays like these can have Garcon receive his points and also score correctly.

You can always remove the rule or points if you wish manually.

Matwijow Mon 10/1/12 10:00 PM

Perfect, thanks for your answer!